Ryan Wilson: Penguins and Taylor Hall Penguins and Taylor Hall

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Of course the Pens should be interested but would Shero really make a deal with the Pens?

When Crosby and Malkin are done the league will make sure we get the next generational talents like Many before so yes let’s go for broke and bring in Hall

Of course the Pens should be interested but would Shero really make a deal with the Pens?
- Doogs

Sure he would. I never got the feeling Shero held a grudge. JR dealt Bennett to Shero a few years ago. My only concern would be JR giving up too much.....Ray seems to "kill it" in the trade department. Drafting was his weakness. Not to mention his loyalty to stiff coaches like Bylsma.

Sure he would. I never got the feeling Shero held a grudge. JR dealt Bennett to Shero a few years ago. My only concern would be JR giving up too much.....Ray seems to "kill it" in the trade department. Drafting was his weakness. Not to mention his loyalty to stiff coaches like Bylsma.
- madmike71

And now Hynes

And now Hynes
- drew18

So it seems. Bylsma was a joke.

So who was the last big name player like Taylor Hall to be acquired at or around the trade deadline and he was a big reason that team won the Cup?

Hint: Ron Hainey is not one of them.

So who was the last big name player like Taylor Hall to be acquired at or around the trade deadline and he was a big reason that team won the Cup?

Hint: Ron Hainey is not one of them.
- stevens87

Does Schultzy in '16 count?

Else: Carter '12, Kunitz/Guerin '09, Recchi '06.

So it seems. Bylsma was a joke.

The Crosby/Malkin Era has featured a lot of villians such as Ovechkin, Giroux, the 2013 Bruins, the 2012 Flyers, 2008 Red Wings, etc. The list can go on for a while.

But the biggest villian of the era should be Dan Bylsma IMO. Guy took anyway any real chance we had in 2010, 2012, 2013, & 2014. Shero should've fired him after that joke in 2012 against the Flyers.

This team already has the forward depth to compete this year. Plus, not sure we can offer NJ as much as what they will want from other teams. I dont see NJ doing a rebuild, more like a retool like the Flyers did with Richards/Carter so I'm not sure our young prospects and picks will interest them. I see them seeking more young, NHL producing players. Penguins really cannot compete with other teams on that.

I'd rather see them play out the season, make some superfacial changes with depth, and then take a run at Hall in the offseason. I dont see a trade for the Penguins/Hall as realistic.

Does Schultzy in '16 count?

Else: Carter '12, Kunitz/Guerin '09, Recchi '06.
- VeryModernMan

The Pens gave up only a 3rd round pick for Shultzy. I'm talking about what you would have to give up to get a guy like Hall. First round picks, top prospects. There is no reason why if this team gets healthy (and I know that is a big if) couldn't go a long way without a major trade.

Heck, just getting their injured players back is like making major moves.

So who was the last big name player like Taylor Hall to be acquired at or around the trade deadline and he was a big reason that team won the Cup?

Hint: Ron Hainey is not one of them.
- stevens87

I think that has to do with fit. Even though we didn't win Hossa killed it with Sid, that was a huge move. I can see Hall and Sid killing it because Hall plays that game that would work with Sid. Those pure snipers never work with Sid, but Hall hell yea.

The Crosby/Malkin Era has featured a lot of villians such as Ovechkin, Giroux, the 2013 Bruins, the 2012 Flyers, 2008 Red Wings, etc. The list can go on for a while.

But the biggest villian of the era should be Dan Bylsma IMO. Guy took anyway any real chance we had in 2010, 2012, 2013, & 2014. Shero should've fired him after that joke in 2012 against the Flyers.
- SuperHenderson13

Agree entirely. Bylsma was a fraud. I've said it for years... Should have canned that idiot after that comical mess against the Flyers in '12.

The Crosby/Malkin Era has featured a lot of villians such as Ovechkin, Giroux, the 2013 Bruins, the 2012 Flyers, 2008 Red Wings, etc. The list can go on for a while.

But the biggest villian of the era should be Dan Bylsma IMO. Guy took anyway any real chance we had in 2010, 2012, 2013, & 2014. Shero should've fired him after that joke in 2012 against the Flyers.
- SuperHenderson13

In Disco's defense, The All the players had to do was Get to Their Game....

The Pens gave up only a 3rd round pick for Shultzy. I'm talking about what you would have to give up to get a guy like Hall. First round picks, top prospects. There is no reason why if this team gets healthy (and I know that is a big if) couldn't go a long way without a major trade.

Heck, just getting their injured players back is like making major moves.
- stevens87

I'm thinking Shero would want Rust for sure in the deal

He aint gonna be interested in Bjug or Horn and it would suck to give up Rust's cap value towards a guy set to make 10 million per

In Disco's defense, The All the players had to do was Get to Their Game....
- TheGame316

Ha ha..... Nice...

I just think other teams can probably offer more attractive pieces than the Pens. It's nice to dream though. Knowing what we know about Shero he'll definitely want a dman prospect.

TO NJ: Addison, Hallander, 1st + Galchenyuk
TO PIT: Taylor Hall
Explanation: Swapping pending UFAs may make little sense, but it's purely for salary reasons and Shero can go flip Galchenyuk for another future.

or

TO NJ: Addison, 2020 1st + 2021 Conditional 2nd (Becomes a first if Hall signs with the Pens)
TO PIT: Taylor Hall

Why I think the Pens can't make any of this happen? I think Shero can find a team with a young NHL-Ready dman.

I’m going to take a stab at it, roast away 🤪

To Pittsburgh: Taylor Hall, Sami Vatanen, Nikita Gusev

To NJD: Alex Galchenyuk, Bryan Rust, Marcus Pettersson, Nick Bjugstad, Tristan Jarry, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd

NJD gets their goalie, some young forwards, a younger LD, futures, and some players they may be able to fit/flip. No conditions as Pitt was given permission to talk to Hall and his agent beforehand and negotiated a 7x11 contract which is somewhat frontloaded with bonuses but more importantly lockout proof

Here’s my reasoning: UFA Vats for RFA Petts is probably somewhat close in value give or take. To a team like NJ Jarry is probably about worth Gusev. Then they get a more than fair haul for Hall. I’ll miss Rust more than most but this what we’d get

Jake-Sid-Hall
Gusev-Geno-Kahun
Tanev-McCann-Hornqvist
Simon-Blueger-ZAR

Dumo-Letang
Vats-Marino
JJ-Kola

MM
DeSmith

I just think other teams can probably offer more attractive pieces than the Pens. It's nice to dream though. Knowing what we know about Shero he'll definitely want a dman prospect.

TO NJ: Addison, Hallander, 1st + Galchenyuk
TO PIT: Taylor Hall
Explanation: Swapping pending UFAs may make little sense, but it's purely for salary reasons and Shero can go flip Galchenyuk for another future.

or

TO NJ: Addison, 2020 1st + 2021 Conditional 2nd (Becomes a first if Hall signs with the Pens)
TO PIT: Taylor Hall

Why I think the Pens can't make any of this happen? I think Shero can find a team with a young NHL-Ready dman.
- Rinosaur

You beat me to it! But I went big and gave NJ what they want which is a goalie and a young, controlled defender

What’s super interesting is that Taylor Hall has no control this season! Gotta think Shero would prefer to send him west though. I could see STL doing it with Parayko going back the other way, then they extend Pietrangelo. Carolina by far has the most to offer as far as futures though and they have Edmundson at 26 who they could move

Put yourself in Shero’s shoes: what do you want that’s realistic?

(Specifics, not “a pick and a prospect.” For example: Tyson Jost, Nikita Zadorov, and a 2020 1st.)

Sure he would. I never got the feeling Shero held a grudge. JR dealt Bennett to Shero a few years ago. My only concern would be JR giving up too much.....Ray seems to "kill it" in the trade department. Drafting was his weakness. Not to mention his loyalty to stiff coaches like Bylsma.
- madmike71

Trading with Shero would be my concern as well. Other than Pouliot, who I think is a great system fit and might be able to play next year, I'm not too attached to our prospects. Maybe POJ, again due to proximity to NHL readiness. Shero would aim for guys like Addison and Jarry, I'd guess.

I’m going to take a stab at it, roast away 🤪

To Pittsburgh: Taylor Hall, Sami Vatanen, Nikita Gusev

To NJD: Alex Galchenyuk, Bryan Rust, Marcus Pettersson, Nick Bjugstad, Tristan Jarry, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd

NJD gets their goalie, some young forwards, a younger LD, futures, and some players they may be able to fit/flip. No conditions as Pitt was given permission to talk to Hall and his agent beforehand and negotiated a 7x11 contract which is somewhat frontloaded with bonuses but more importantly lockout proof

Here’s my reasoning: UFA Vats for RFA Petts is probably somewhat close in value give or take. To a team like NJ Jarry is probably about worth Gusev. Then they get a more than fair haul for Hall. I’ll miss Rust more than most but this what we’d get

Jake-Sid-Hall
Gusev-Geno-Kahun
Tanev-McCann-Hornqvist
Simon-Blueger-ZAR

Dumo-Letang
Vats-Marino
JJ-Kola

MM
DeSmith
- WSCTeton17

While this may or may not be far off in value (I don't know much about Jarry or how the rest of the players are fairing), I can give some insight on the Devils players that may be less obvious if you aren't watching the team.

First of all, Gusev should not be traded. He started the season off terribly, but has really blossomed in the last two weeks. He's among our best despite a low trade value.

Vatanen is our most consistently good defender (yes, better than PK imo). Again, I don't know much about Pettersson, but I don't think they'll be equal value, even with the free agency status.

Taylor Hall is Taylor Hall. Prone to giveaways, kinda checked out this year, but dude straight up breaks games.

I just think other teams can probably offer more attractive pieces than the Pens. It's nice to dream though. Knowing what we know about Shero he'll definitely want a dman prospect.

TO NJ: Addison, Hallander, 1st + Galchenyuk
TO PIT: Taylor Hall
Explanation: Swapping pending UFAs may make little sense, but it's purely for salary reasons and Shero can go flip Galchenyuk for another future.

or

TO NJ: Addison, 2020 1st + 2021 Conditional 2nd (Becomes a first if Hall signs with the Pens)
TO PIT: Taylor Hall

Why I think the Pens can't make any of this happen? I think Shero can find a team with a young NHL-Ready dman.
- Rinosaur

What's the lowdown on Addison and Hallander?

So who was the last big name player like Taylor Hall to be acquired at or around the trade deadline and he was a big reason that team won the Cup?

Hint: Ron Hainey is not one of them.
- stevens87

Off the top my head, probably have to go with Recchi and Doug Weight going to the Canes in 2006.